<xmm> let's begin with fan design, it's much easier ;)
<gphat> heh
<AlonzoTG> Implant: Cache only as a memory architecture...
<RoB> we need to make a pro/cons webpage describing the different archs
<gphat> good idea
<gphat> ill define the words...;)
<RoB> cuz I don't know any pros or cons...
<Implant> lol... beginning with the fan is always the easiest part :)
<RoB> that's one hardware area i could certainly help out with =)
<RoB> i know this is a long way down the road, but i assume we're going for
          copper?
<Implant> rob: nice idea.... there should not be one person choosing the
          architecture... unless ofcause his name is Seymour Cray :)
<gphat> everyone else is...
<RoB> why not platinum?
<xmm> btw, are there any free verilog simulators in making?
<gphat> anyone wanna volunteer to make that Pro/Con page....
<gphat> Ill host it...
<gphat> or if anyone wants to send me some raw data, Ill do my best to make
          it pretty and readable
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<RoB> if I knew, I would...
<gphat> heh
<gphat> me too
<RoB> you FUT is decent
<RoB> your..
<gphat> heh;)
<gphat> thanks
<gphat> i try
<RoB> i don't really understand how LED got in there, but.. :)
<gphat> neither do i...
<gphat> I had it in there for some reason...
<xmm> So, there is already f-cpu T-shirt, but not a single line of HDL
          design?
<RoB> what!?
<RoB> t-shirts?!
<gphat> T-shirt
<gphat> ?
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<Implant> cool a T-shirt !
<xmm> http://f-cpu.tux.org/images/brion.jpg
<RoB> heh heh
<gphat> heheh
<gphat> its probably construction paper stapled to a Hanes Tshirt
<RoB> he must have silkscreened that himself
<gphat> okey doke
<gphat> I think we know weve got something to do now
<RoB> okay, AlonzoTG, what's the fastest architecture?
<RoB> in terms of executing inst. per cycle
 gphat/#f-cpu yawns
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 RoB sniffs
<gphat> heh
<RoB> strawberries
<gphat> heheheh
<AlonzoTG> TTA
<gphat> WOOT!
<AlonzoTG> But it uses EXTREMELY RISC instructions...
<AlonzoTG> M2M GETS MORE DONE!!!
<RoB> how come Intel and the boys don't use TTA or m2m, but RISC and CISC?
          there must be a reason
<gphat> ok then Alonzo
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<gphat> asking good questions:)
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<AlonzoTG> Backwards compatability...
<awallin> hello
<RoB> what's StrongARM use?
<gphat> hi Anders
<Implant> Rob: simple... TTA is not proven to be as fast as the clame (my
          opinion)
<RoB> that's RISC, right?
<xmm> RoB: sure
<gphat> Alonzo: is it possible for you to give a quick explanation of M2M?
<gphat> Im not usre what it is
<RoB> so, m2m and TTA are both unproven archs?
<AlonzoTG> the Java CPU is M2M
<gphat> got a link or something?
<gphat> I vaguely understand TTA, no clue with M2M
<AlonzoTG> Memory 2 memory = No data registers, minimal context registers,
           EXTREMELY GOOD AT TASK SWITCHING....
<xmm> java VM is stack based
<Implant> Rob: not at all...they are not proven as much as RiSC and CiSC are
          .... there has been runned endless amount of simuations tests and
          other things to see how fast RiSC and CiSC really is... But for TTA
          , it's a totally new thing...
<RoB> now, is m2m moving stuff within RAM, or L? cache?
<AlonzoTG> I don't even know how TTA would go about task switching...
<gphat> gotya
<gphat> I like that Alonzo
<gphat> that makes more sense that TTA
 gphat/#f-cpu changes his mind, "M2M for President!"
<AlonzoTG> :P
<AlonzoTG> hehe
<Implant> Rob: but at the TTA homepage they calme TTA to be mega fast... but
          i don't know of any computers that have runned a multiuser OS on
          TTA to see how fast it really is...
<RoB> someone should probably log this stuff... if i knew how, i would...
<gphat> i got it
<gphat> starting now
<gphat> ill  post it
<RoB> coolio
<gphat> ok
<gphat> you guys are on camera now
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<AlonzoTG> :)
<higson> bye all
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<AlonzoTG> Anybody else alive?
<mtorni> me.
<AlonzoTG> Any thing to contribute to the project?
<mtorni> If I wasn't so drunk from caffeine overdose
<mtorni> I can barely see the text on the screen
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<RoB> weird..
<mtorni> it's all so fuzzy...
<RoB> i still want to know why Linux sucks...?
<mtorni> Anyway, if linux sucks -- go create your own.
<mtorni> I think that will happen anyway in the next, say five years...
<AlonzoTG> I am working on my own OS!!!
<AlonzoTG> ( atc.peon.net/~cyborg/
<mtorni> Linux isn't that great for realtime stuff like sound.
<AlonzoTG> and its not user friendly at all!
<mtorni> how far along are ya?
<AlonzoTG> Design. 
<AlonzoTG> I am going to implement a prototype starting in a week or two...
<mtorni> AlonzoTG: sounds great!-)
<AlonzoTG> I had a few false starts on the prototype...
<mtorni> Projec_k_ts?
<RoB> i had a load of 8 on my machine once and MP3 didn't degrade...
<AlonzoTG> but this time I know I have it all down, I just need some source to a command parser... (I'll probably steal it from BASH)
<AlonzoTG> and I need a ton of information on how to write makefiles...
<mtorni> RoB: and what kind of machine you have?
<RoB> k6-2 300
<AlonzoTG> P100
<mtorni> P133 and mp3's suffer if the file isn't completely in the cache
<mtorni> AlonzoTG: I did a small OS project in school with my friend, and we found out it's best just to rip out the Makefiles from the linux kernel... they work.
<AlonzoTG> still I NEED TO LEARN MAKE!!!!
<mtorni> target: source files...
<AlonzoTG> Where can I find a text on how to use it?
<mtorni> <tab>command --output=target source files...
<RoB> learn make
<mtorni> info make
<RoB> make make
<RoB> make whoopee
<AlonzoTG> heh
<AlonzoTG> I still have NO CLUE as to how to write Makefiles...
<AlonzoTG> :|
<RoB> make is easy to learn
<RoB> just sit down for a day and learn it
<mtorni> type 'info make' and learn.
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<RoB> it's basically a smart script
<alpha> Did you miss me?
<RoB> it just runs commands
<mtorni> it really only takes that one day to learn all the simple things and most of the complex stuff
<RoB> alpha: terribly so ;)
<alpha> I've decided to release the code as is and just field questions on the mailing list.
<alpha> I hope I live to regret it.
<RoB> woohoo!
<alpha> If not then this project is done for
<RoB> I guess the big question is: what OS does it run on? =)
<alpha> it COMPILES under linux
<alpha> but anything with gcc should work
<alpha> it's just the core, not the entire simulator
<alpha> as we get other people to work on the other modules like the loader & host it may get OS specific
<mtorni> alpha: where to get it?
<RoB> we need a CVS tree!
<alpha> Damn RIGHT!
* RoB can't provide one :(
<alpha> I spent 5 hours getting PPP working under Linux last night just to be able to suffer through learning CVS
<RoB> heh heh
<alpha> I haven't decided if I'm lazt enough to just send the sorce tar to the list and redirecting the resulting flames
<mtorni> alpha: please don't do that...
<alpha> we need something like cvs.org just to provide CVS for free software projects
<RoB> that would rock
<mtorni> alpha: cvs requires way too much resources to host lots of projects on a single server.
* mtorni is back from the dead. Gone 1 hrs 3 min 15 secs
<alpha> it's only like 50KBs with the documentation. What'sisface jecel? sent 2 gifs that I couldn't read.
<alpha> Maybe it's a terrible precedent
<alpha> well get a big ol formerly NT box and run FreeBSD on it....
<alpha> make a cluster.. I dunno
<mtorni> alpha: sure it's NOW 50KB, but after two months it's going to be a lot bigger and if you post it to the list now, you're bound to do it later too.
<alpha> classical conditioning... good point
<mtorni> alpha: the gnome project didn't remove anon cvs access for nothing.
<alpha> I'm sure there's a way to work it out....
<RoB> alpha, would it be possible to put it on a website?
<RoB> you could send it to me and i'll put it on my website
<mtorni> alpha: I can put it available on a moderately fast link, but I can't trust you with the password there...
<alpha> I was thinking of THE website, I'm looking for the maintainer's e-mail now.
<alpha> got it
<mtorni> alpha: email the package to the maintainer and tell him to give you access to it or something later...
<RoB> well, if you want to dist. it without delay, i can stick it on my website for temp. use
<mtorni> cool, put it up
<mtorni> I want the sources...
<RoB> me, too ;)
<alpha> rob@r...? Wow that's almost as long as a single variable index i my code!
<RoB> uh oh... :)
<RoB> actually, use rob@n...
<mtorni> alpha: doesn't look too good :)
<alpha> I just sent it to brion, you're next
<alpha> anybody else want it while I'm at it?
<RoB> i can dist it off the website...
<mtorni> alpha: I hope you don't mean you sent it via email... I only have a 33k6 modem and I usually get rates like 100b/s from the mail server...
<alpha> well good thing I didn't send it to you!
<RoB> heh heh
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<RoB> aol must be slooow...
<RoB> i haven't got it yet
<RoB> here we go...
<alpha> ITS COMING FROM AOL!!
<alpha> you're lucky if you get it tonight.
<Xavier> Anyone speaking dutch ?
<alpha> sorry, not me. Unless you're teaching
<RoB> okay, http://www.nb.net/~rob/f-cpu/fcpu.tgz
<Xavier> Ehm..ok..Yes=Ja No=Nee (For example)
<alpha> Ja Ya speak dutch.
<mtorni> I can put up CVS access in about a year... I was offered a job at an ISP that starts publicly next spring. I was offered a job as the maintainer of all the computer systems plus part ownership of the company !
<alpha> good for you.
<Xavier> Uhuh
<alpha> I was offered  job like that and turned it down. Now look at me. I'm a psedunym on the internet connecting thru AOL!
<Xavier> ahaha
<alpha> Oh yeah, I should Announce on the list.
* alpha thinks "maybe I shoulf announce on slashdot"
<RoB> woohoo!
<RoB> spam-o-rama... my ISP would love that ;)
<mtorni> alpha: I also have got an offer as a full-time high-salary programmer from some high-tech company, too bad I don't remember the name of it...
<RoB> go for the programming job... well, if you know how to program ;)
<alpha> lokk at my code and tell me if you think I can code for money
<RoB> i'm still confused by the permissions on these files. =)
* Xavier Software is busy developping X-Pack PRO 8.3
<mtorni> RoB: I was offered the job because I learned Perl in one day and finished a web proxy for the employers with no web access the second day and the third day I finished an NT account manager
<Xavier> <grin>
<mtorni> alpha: who am I to tell you... I'm 18 and haven't even received any training in computers!
<RoB> so it's a perl job?  i think perl is easy... i wrote a bot in perl in a half-day
<mtorni> RoB: Hmm... I cannot connect to www.nb.net... It just times out
<RoB> maybe it's all these people dl'ing the file! ha! ;)
<mtorni> RoB: It wasn't a perl job. It was a C job, but they got interested in me after that perl stuff.
<RoB> try www.localconnect.net  (same thing as www.nb.net)
<alpha> No it's the people from slashdor downloading the file
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<mtorni> alpha: hopefully that's a joke
<alpha> Ok the list has been annonced
<RoB> maybe we could put it in incoming at sunsite.unc.edu?
<mtorni>  dataflame.al-ien.fi can't find www.localconnect.net: Non-existent host/domain
<alpha> lets watch everybody ignore it just to piss me off.
<alpha> Anybodyy use lex/yacc
<mtorni> alpha: I know a little yacc
<mtorni> (actually bison)
<mtorni> www.localconnect.net == www.nb.net, so what's the difference?
<mtorni> RoB: now I got it
<AlonzoTG> om
<alpha> Prepare to create great big long ass ephitaths against my programming style then...
<RoB> well, i just uploaded it to ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/incoming/Linux/FCPU.TGZ
<mtorni> execute bits are on everywhere!
<alpha> that's cuz the code was on a MS-DOS filesystem. Woops
<RoB> n/m.. it won't let you dl from there
<alpha> chmod -R -X *
<mtorni> alpha: already done the equivalent
<alpha> chmod -R -x *, I mean
<mtorni> I've been using solely linux for the past 2 years, so no need for advice :)
<alpha> And the more people who complain, the better. At least they downloaded it.
<mtorni> new.doc, old.doc?
<alpha> ol.doc is the stuff I sent to the list
<alpha> new.doc is empty, I was going to put changes from what was on the list, but I got sick of waiting to distribute
<alpha> it's not a whole lot of code, just enough to make sure I had no social life for the last week.
<RoB> =)
<alpha> If people start adding to it then I will too. If not it's GPLed....
<alpha> I really just wanted to get all the software peole involved as much as I could
<RoB> if it's not GLDed?
<RoB> er, GPLed?
<alpha> I think you read that wrong.
<alpha> If nobody from f-cpu starts hacking on it, maybe it will help another project.
<RoB> oh... sorry, dyslexic ;)
<AlonzoTG> Nanocomputer Dream Team! :)))
<alpha> OTOH maybe it will make that other project's members go insane.
<alpha> it makes perfect sense to me....on a cafeine high.
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<mtorni> alpha: It's 1am, I'm fuzzy, school starts early tomorrow, I can't think straight... All this just because I'm addicted to caffeine/coffee. It's not fair!
<alpha> I quit cafeine, but picked it back up to write this.
<alpha> now I drink bitter-ass grapfruit juice. It doesn't give me xtra energy, but it sure does wake you up!
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<alpha> are you all cursing me out reading the code, or chugging beers, or did AOL just drop me?
<mtorni> I don't take caffeine to keep me awake all night, or to see these funny hallucinations or to be not able to focus on anything or for any of it's effects... I just happen to like coffee.
<RoB> i'm chugging beers =)
* AlonzoTG drinks root beer.
<mtorni> alpha: I'm trying to figure out the directory structure for now...
<mtorni> RoB: I don't do solvents :)
<alpha> I used to like cofee too much. Never can have too much vitamin C.
<alpha> fcpu/sim
<mtorni> alpha: my momma would just LOVE you :)
<alpha> Well She's probably thinking of the FALSE vitamin C ascorbic acid. I only worshiped the one true Vitamin C cafeine
<mtorni> :)
* alpha chants Vitamin C you make the code go round....
<mtorni> Maybe I should confess that I occasionally do take caffeine just to make my head spin... But I usually regret it at 5am :)
<alpha> I knew this one guy who would drink a 2 litter bottle of mountain dew in a 5 hour period
<alpha> he was screwed up.
<alpha> brb
<RoB> i uploaded a 'new' fcpu.tgz that fixes the file perms and makefile to  Makefile
<mtorni> mountain brew doesn't say anything to me, so what is it?
<mtorni> beer?
<RoB> 1 2liter in 5 hours?
<RoB> is that supposed to be a feat?
<alpha> everyday!
<alpha> and he wasn't even a coder!
<alpha> that was just he 5 hours that I saw him for!
<alpha> he would've drunk more but he other things to do.
<mtorni> what about async design?
<alpha> GOOD question
<RoB> hmm..  i would have to put him up against my friend...
<alpha> is your friend a coder?
<mtorni> At first thought it would seem more appropriate for the way the TTA design is heading...
<alpha> Async is way appropriate for a single thread TTA
<alpha> if you can design it.
<AlonzoTG> What about ISO standards?
<AlonzoTG> We should adhere to standards where they apply...
<alpha> Which ISO standards? data formats or design process, or environmental impact?
<mtorni> I saw a university website where they had designed (and manufactured) a 32-bit RISC CPU using async logic just to prove it's possible... I think it used the ARM ISA.
<AlonzoTG> Data formats...
<alpha> yes that would be async ARM
<mtorni> It was quite competitive with the synchronous commercial alternative, and used way less power.
<mtorni> I can't recall its name though
<alpha> Of course it will use IEEE floating point formats, why would anybody want anything else?
<AlonzoTG> certainly...
<alpha> of course 128 bit format is undefined last I heard.
<AlonzoTG> :)
<mtorni> I wonder if that design was publicly available.
<mtorni> they probably have some trouble deciding the width of the exponent
<alpha> whoever does the FPU can decide that. I'm just a busmeister I move data from here to there
<alpha> I wonder what the cuss meter is reading?
<mtorni> cuss?
<alpha> The code is pretty dense. People WILL cuss/swear/bitch about it
<RoB> okay, i fixed the makefile so it looks more like a make file and put it up as both fcpu.tgz and fcpu.tar.gz
<alpha> thank you.
<mtorni> I'm still reading sim/README
<mtorni> So if I get this right, sockets act as a comm layer between the FUs and the main bus?
<alpha> Mu english isn't so good, I live in America, after all.
<alpha> that's one way of looking at it.
<alpha> They can do more complex stuff too, but none of that is coded,
<alpha> like a move of an 8 bit char to the FPU could be converted into a float inline by the socket.
<mtorni> "They have 4 function pointers: init, expose & simulate." Looks like some math problems :)
<mtorni> alpha: so socket is the hton[sl] of chips :)
<alpha> expose, simulate, init & expect Don't tell me I screwed that up...
<alpha> oh wow mail
<alpha> brb
<mtorni> It's just that one sentence, it mentions expect_thread in the next sentence
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<alpha> let me see that.....
* alpha rips paper out of mtorni's hands
<alpha> AGGGGGHHHHH it's UNIX formated text on  DOS partiton
<mtorni> Ok, now I'll take a look at sim.c
<RoB> i'm removing all the ^Ms now.. ;)
<alpha> I hope you've got good mental health....
<AlonzoTG> somebody NEEDS to write a remove ^m program...
<alpha> forget it. I should be running Linux right now anyway.
<mtorni> recode?
<AlonzoTG> It would be a good project for myself....
<AlonzoTG> :P
<mtorni> recode ibmpc: filename    for dos->unix
<mtorni> recode :ibmpc filename for unix->dos
<alpha> vi 1,$s/^v^m//g
<mtorni> Converts other character sets and characters too!
<AlonzoTG> mein gott! that vi command was HORRIFYING!!!
<alpha> chill,, vi is your friend
<mtorni> Had to load KGI drivers to get a text mode with more than 80 columns :(
<mtorni> Now I have to boot for X :(
<alpha> sorry
<mtorni> Don't worry - I got 160x64 textmode as a compensation.
<alpha> No way! how?
<mtorni> I wondered what you talked about the ^M's, but now I understand :(
<mtorni> I'm using 1280x1024 graphics mode, so with a 8x16 font that's the result.
<alpha> that just sucks so bad.
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<alpha> I can't beleive I didn't check the text formating 
<e778> hi!
<RoB> okay, now the new files are uploaded with the ^Ms removed
<alpha> aloha
<mtorni> I've been trying to get a 1600x1200 mode with 8x8 fonts, but the KGI driver doesn't like resolution that big for some reason.
<alpha> now some windows users will be mad
<RoB> http://www.nb.net/~rob/f-cpu/fcpu.tgz OR http://www.nb.net/~rob/f-cpu/fcpu.tar.gz
<alpha> what card do you have that has such a wonderful KGI driver?
<RoB> why not just use xterm and resize it?
<mtorni> Matrox Millenium II with 8MB memory.
<mtorni> RoB: X uses memory
<RoB> well, with 128MB, it doesn't bother me much ;)
<mtorni> besides xterm uses even more memory, it looks ugly and is slow. I like fullscreen textmodes switchable with alt-Fx so much more.
<alpha> I have 64 MB, and I still uses the console just cuz it's faster.
<alpha> alt->  alt<-
<alpha> Fx is to far to reach
<mtorni> I've always wondered why I spent so much money on a MM2 when I hate GUIs...
<alpha> so the GUI is bearable when you have no choice
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<mtorni> arrow keys are too far to reach. Besides I'm usually logged on to 4-6 consoles, so I get directly where i want with the function keys
<RoB> why not use screen?
<alpha> well, my keyboard has dual arrow keys
<alpha> one on the left, one on the right
<mtorni> With 32MB memory and a 1600x1200x32bit mode my machine swaps with Gimp so bad
<mtorni> RoB: screen?
<RoB> screen!
<mtorni> does it split the console?
<mtorni> I hate that
<RoB> it's like using multiple consoles, but in one console
<mtorni> RoB: you messed up with the archive.
<RoB> it doesn't split the screen if you don't want it to
<RoB> the archive? how?
<mtorni> RoB: execute bits are off on the DIRECTORIES! They should be on so one can use ls...
<alpha> Hey I was so conditioned to DOS that it took me up until yesterday to realize you can Ctrl-z out of vi
<AlonzoTG> om
<alpha> I'm in heaven now.
<alpha> don't need no stinking screen
<mtorni> alpha: And it's getting more crowded day by day :)
<alpha> well until we banish the windows users
<alpha> whoops that would be mw.
<alpha> me.
<mtorni> You should have used find -type f -exec chmod -x '{}' \;
<alpha> %$#^!T%$ gbargb & would have been faster
* AlonzoTG uses 'doze 9.11
<mtorni> oh man, with a 1600x1200 mode with 8x8 font I can get 200x150 characters on screen!!!
<alpha> jesus
<alpha> I want your machine
<alpha> what size monitor?
<AlonzoTG> I have a 19" monitor...
<AlonzoTG> ;)
<alpha> nevermind
<mtorni> 17"
<mtorni> alpha: you don't want this. 32MB memory isn't bearable.
<alpha> hey did you see the price for the Viewsonic P817?
<AlonzoTG> I have 32 mb and I do just fine!
<AlonzoTG> :)
<AlonzoTG> Windoze 3.11 doesn't take much memory...
<AlonzoTG> :P
<alpha> is 2048x1536 all that much better than 1800x1440?
<AlonzoTG> Now if the thing would boot in the morning...
<mtorni> My friends cannot see the characters on an xterm in 1600x1200, and shouldn't "bug-eyed snot-nosed hackers" have bad eye-sight?
<alpha> not up close
<AlonzoTG> We're Nearsighted...
<AlonzoTG> My glasses perscription went up by a whole point during the last checkup...
<AlonzoTG> :P
<alpha> an when you waer you glasses to see your monitor you get more nearsighted
<mtorni> Actually my eye-sight has gotten better every year. I even have proof of that.
<AlonzoTG> Well I need my glasses because I have an astigmatism...
<mtorni> Is there a fixed tarchive?
<AlonzoTG> so I try to sit far away from my monitor...
<mtorni> rob!
<RoB> me?
<alpha> oh no... I'm slipping out of my alter-ego into parent mode.
<mtorni> hey alpha, you aren't nearly as bad as one could think from your email...
<RoB> okay, archive fixed...
<alpha> Well I had to switch domains after all the flames I got at Micorsoft.com :)
<mtorni> sorry rob, but it isn't
<RoB> what??
<alpha> what's broken?
<RoB> drwxrwxr-x   7 rob      users        1024 Oct 26  1998 fcpu/
<mtorni> just try tar tfz fcpu.tgz
<RoB> what happens?
<mtorni> yep, but the rest are broken.
<RoB> mine works!
<RoB> re-dl it
<mtorni> Here are a couple of examples:
<mtorni> drwxrwxr-x rob/users         0 1998-10-26 12:35 fcpu/sim/logic_banks/
<mtorni> drw-rw-r-- rob/users         0 1998-10-18 09:29 fcpu/sim/logic_banks/FPU/
<mtorni> drw-rw-r-- rob/users         0 1998-10-18 09:29 fcpu/sim/logic_banks/FXU/
<mtorni> drw-rw-r-- rob/users         0 1998-10-18 09:30 fcpu/sim/logic_banks/LS/
<alpha> oh.
<RoB> -rw-rw-r--   1 rob      users       17989 Oct 24 13:24 COPYING
<RoB> drwxrwxr-x   5 rob      users        1024 Oct 24 13:07 host/
<RoB> drwxrwxr-x   2 rob      users        1024 Oct 25 18:49 ld/
<RoB> drwxrwxr-x   2 rob      users        1024 Oct 26  1998 new.doc/
<RoB> drwxrwxr-x   2 rob      users        1024 Oct 25 18:49 old.doc/
<RoB> drwxrwxr-x   4 rob      users        1024 Oct 25 18:53 sim/
<mtorni> Look, your local copy and the tar archive are two distinct things...
<mtorni> It still isn't correct
<RoB> hmm.. COPYING shouldn't be writable by users...
<mtorni> I'll make a working tar
<RoB> damn perms..
<alpha> thank you for fixing my archive
<alpha> if only you could fix my code!
<RoB> i'm getting there ;)
<RoB> first thing to do is alias all your structs ;)
<RoB> i don't know how to use dcc
<alpha> go ahead but typedefs are evil early on.
<RoB> hmm...
<mtorni> type /dcc get mtorni filename... I think
<mtorni> type /DCC GET mtorni fcpu.tgz
<RoB> where's it save it to?
<mtorni> dunno
<RoB> hmm...
<mtorni> irc's working directory or home
<RoB> yes, it's there!
<RoB> i can't tell if it died or if the archive is incomplete...
<mtorni> Ok, my mother just came here to tell me to go to sleep... It's 2:15am
<alpha> Ok parenting is calling. may be AFK
<RoB> mtorni: mail it to me!
<mtorni> dcc stats tells me that it's 100% complete, but it's still transferring!
<RoB> c/fcpu.html
<RoB> fcpu/old.doc/fcpu2.html
<RoB> tar: Skipping to next file header
<RoB> gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error
<RoB> tar: Child returned status 1
<RoB> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
<mtorni> rob@n...?`
<RoB> yes
<mtorni> is it there yet?
<AlonzoTG> it's been fun but I've gotta goto my other chan now...
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<alpha> well Rob
<RoB> it must be here.. taking a while to dl
<alpha> unless yuo have questions I'm ready to go.
<mtorni> Well, I'm going to get some sleep.. I've to negotiate the terms of the ISP job tomorrow at school.
<RoB> it looks good.. i will upload it now...
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<RoB> okay, it's up...
<RoB> i'll post a little memo to the list
<alpha> cool hopefully nobody will have to suffer from my scre-ups
<alpha> the code will make up for it
<RoB> i'm also making a .zip for windows people ;)
<alpha> they will suffer more.
* RoB laughs
<RoB> as they should ;)
<alpha> I'm taking off the be a real person. See you.
<RoB> later
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<RoB> g-away: YOU CAN KILL THE LOG NOW! ;)
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<Saxgod> Hmm...did I miss anything?
<RoB> well, yeah, just about everything
<RoB> but don't worry.. it's all logged and should be posted tomorrow
<Saxgod> So when does the f-cpu ship then?
<RoB> uh, tomorrow ;)
<RoB> if you're interested in code, did you see the TTA sim?
<Saxgod> I just downloaded it...
<Saxgod> Oh dear...hackercode...
<RoB> heh heh
<RoB> you are more than welcome to fix it ;)
<Saxgod> At least there are comments, and it hasn't broken vim's source highlighting yet...
<Saxgod>  write_socket->logic->bank.raw.wr[addr].data.o_data[0] |= bus->data.o_data[0];
<RoB> feel free to submit patches ;)
<Saxgod> Looks like a good start, though...
<RoB> yes, code already written is much easier to dealw ith than code that is not written
<Saxgod> ...depends on the code...we have one engineer who we believe writes well-formatted C++ then runs it through a perl script to turn it into what we term "K&R C++", a horrid collection of nested classes and default typecasts.
<RoB> heh heh 
<Saxgod> Hmm...at first glance, this isn't a very extensible simulator (would need to modify several files to add a block).  Also, there are a lot of ports in these modules...
<RoB> i haven't looked through the code much...
<RoB> myself and another person were just getting the file perms and Makefile to something decent ;)
<Saxgod> It looks like a start--but I don't like the "Object-Oriented C" idea.  I would rather see real C++...
<RoB> so what arch are you for?
<Saxgod> You mean TTA vs M2M?
<RoB> yup
<Saxgod> I'm not sure--I would like to see a general simulator get made so we can do some profiling (or have someone with enough experience to show us the stats on memory hits pop up)
<RoB> or even cisc V.s risc
<Saxgod> Well, cisc and risc are very general.  I would perfer risc-ish, though, because they're easier to design, and because memory/bus speeds are getting higher more quickly then the cost of chip area is going down.
<Saxgod> Wow...I've never been on a german irc network...
<RoB> me neither
<Saxgod> Should I bother to ask what they talk about in #earringfans?
<RoB> uh, no..
<Saxgod> Well, I'm outta here...
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<g-away> hey Rob
<g-away> you still around?
<RoB> a little bit...
<RoB> going to bed...
<g-away> heh
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<gphat> anything get accomplished?
<RoB> uhm.. i would say we're atleast getting somewhere :)
<gphat> heheheh
<gphat> so what got decided?
<RoB> not too much, but we got code from alpha
<RoB> you should read the log ;)
<gphat> I will
<RoB> i must sleep now!  night...
<gphat> I was scrolling up when you started talking;)
<gphat> seeya
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